Natalie Faunce

Natalie Faunce is an anchor and producer at WDBJ7, the affiliate station for CBS in Roanoke, Virginia. With a career that’s had her working in markets across the country, Natalie has covered major national events while also earning regional Emmy awards for her travel reporting across Virginia. She now anchors the 5pm newscast and hosts “Here @ Home,” a lifestyle show focused on stories that matter to local families.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Hey everyone, and welcome to Voices of Hope. I'm Ross Wilsie. And I'm Mike Wade. Each episode, we sit down to talk about what it means to live well, physically, emotionally, spiritually, and beyond.

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We'll look at how wellness shapes us as individuals, families, communities, and even the wider world around us.

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Through real stories and honest conversations, we'll explore what hope looks like and how it grows, right here in the New River Valley. Thanks for joining us.

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This is Voices of Hope.

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Natalie Fonts is an anchor and producer at WDBJ7, the affiliate station for CBS in Roanoke, Virginia. With a career that's had her working in markets across the country, Natalie has covered major national events while also earning regional Emmy Awards for her travel reporting across Virginia. She now anchors the 5 p.m. newscast and hosts Here at Home, a lifestyle show focused on stories that matter to local families.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Well, Natalie, welcome to the Voices of Hope podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Thank you. It's my pleasure to be here with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Yeah, after uh having multiple conversations with you over the years, it's nice to be on the other side of the questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

For you. Yeah. It's so much easier to ask the questions, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Uh yeah, it is actually. Especially on live television.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

I know. It's definitely not not fun being on live television, but you always do such a nice job.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

Oh, thank you. Well, we're going to jump in with the questions. And um, obviously, because of your work, you are no doubt a familiar face for many of our listeners. But um, we'd love for you to share a little bit more about your personal background.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Sure. Okay. Um, well, I'm originally from the Philadelphia area. I grew up in a suburb of Philadelphia called Langhorn. It's in Bucks County area, and um lived there my whole entire life until went to college up in the Poconos, East Strasbourg University, where I studied communications. I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to do career-wise when I went off to college. Uh, I thought maybe I wanted to be a school teacher, both my parents were teachers. And uh I realized very quickly that that was not for me. And um, funny story, my roommate at the time wanted to be a MTV VJ, and people of a certain age will remember MTV when they used to play music videos. Yeah. I'm aging.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

I remember those days.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yes, I was gonna say, all right, Mike, you're with me. All right. So back in the day, they used to have music VJs instead of you know radio DJs, they had music VJs, and so um my roommate wanted me to come along with her to this uh organization. It was the ESU News Department, and it was East Strasbourg University's news uh group on their organization. So I tagged along with her. And this particular day they were taping a newscast. And I just immediately became enamored with what they were doing. And um, you know, in high school, I was very involved in theater and loved being on stage. And when I walked into the organization when they were taping their newscast, I was like, wow, this is like a stage production. You know, they have the lighting, the desk, the cameras. It just, it just felt really cool to me. And I thought, well, maybe I want to do something like this. And so that's really what sparked my interest into the TV news world. So um, you know, that was my freshman year. And then I just was all in. I was like, this is what I'm gonna do with my life. I want to study broadcasting and I want to become a broadcaster. So uh that's what I study, and that's what I ended up doing. I went off to um a small market in West Virginia. And back in those days, you had to have uh a tape recording of your work. And so during college, I would do all these news reports and I actually got a chance to anchor and do all that stuff. And then I was sending out these VHS tapes. Again, I'm aging myself here, um, but have to send out all these tapes. And yeah, news director in uh Clarksburg, West Virginia, teeny tiny little market, uh said, All right, we'll we'll hire you, we'll bring you on board. And I accepted the job without even knowing how much they were gonna pay me. I was just thrilled to get an opportunity to work in this field professionally. And I remember the news director asking me, he's like, Well, I didn't even tell you how much we're gonna pay you. And I thought, oh my gosh, they're gonna actually pay me. That's awesome. Um, and I should have been warned because they offered me$12,000 a year to do this work. Yes. Um, and again, this is back in, you know, in the day, but still it was a very, very small amount of money. And I thought, oh, can I can I survive on that? Um, but it didn't matter. I was like, I'm all in, I'm gonna do whatever I have to do to get into this business. And that's that's where I got my start. And um, I was there for a year and then went off to uh Johnson City, Tennessee, where I was a weekend anchor, weekday reporter. Um, fortunately, I was making more money with doing less dollars a year. Um, and then went on to Lincoln, Nebraska, where I was the main anchor, uh 10 o'clock news anchor. I did the five, the six, and the 10. And then in 2005, I took the Fox anchor position here in Roanoke. Um, at that time, they were working out of the WSLS building and they were paying them to help produce a newscast every night. And I worked there for a couple of years before um getting out of the business for a little bit and starting a family. So I kind of jumped all over the place um before landing here in Roanoke. And my husband and I just fell in love with the area. It was supposed to be a two-year stint. I was gonna be here for two years and I was gonna go on. And then I just realized I was like, what am I doing? This is a beautiful place to live. Uh I've got a great house and a great neighborhood. This is a wonderful place to raise a family. And I just decided, no, I'm gonna, you know, plant my feet here, grow some roots, and been here ever since.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Great. We're so glad that you did decide to plant your roots here.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, me too. Me too, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

I think Mike and I would probably both share that that opinion of the area and then, you know, why we're here and stayed. Yep. So I grew up in Runok, and just like you, you know, I went to Virginia Tech and I didn't want to leave the area. It's just such a great place to be.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

So well, you know, you get to a certain point in your career, you know, I was moving around and jumping around so much, and I thought, okay, yeah, I could probably move to another market, but then you're you're chasing money and it would be more okay, yes, it would be maybe more money salary-wise, but then it would be more money to live in a bigger city.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

So it was like, all right, what do we, what do we really want? What are our values? What do we um really want out of life? Sure. We want to keep on chasing that, you know, the more money, the the bigger cities. Uh and I thought, you know, at this stage of my life, no, I don't, I don't want to do that. And I decided, you know, this this area is just it, it gave us everything we wanted. Uh, we're outdoors people. We love to hike, and my husband loves to hunt. And I thought, gosh, we have this beautiful area right in our backyard. Why would we move anywhere else? So um, that just really just made us fall in love with this area. And then the people here are just so fabulous and so warm and welcoming that uh we decided, you know, why leave?

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Definitely. Yeah. So now, of course, you're at WDBJ7, correct? And that's the runock affiliate for CBS. Um, I assume the news business, like a lot of other fields, uh, has changed quite a bit since you first began your career. Um, and if that is your experience, Natalie, would you mind touching upon some of the ways that it has changed?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Oh boy, yes. I'll tell you what, a lot has changed because of technology, first and foremost. Um, I will tell you this: the first time that I was live on the air was when I was in Clarksburg, West Virginia. And the news director said, you know, shadow the anchor, because I think she was on her way out, and I think they were looking for somebody to replace her. And so I was shadowing her, and they gave me the opportunity to do one of the cut-ins in the morning. And those cut-ins are like a two-minute quick news break that you see in between the national, the network shows, like the Today Show and the CVS This morning. And so I got up there, started reading, and I was so nervous that I couldn't catch my breath. And I thought, and to this day, I've always said, thank goodness there was no YouTube or you know, you know, people didn't, you know, get a chance to like record that and replay it. I mean, I'll tell you what, I was awful, awful. And that was back in the day when we didn't have all this technology. So I don't even think that that was even recorded, which I'm I'm so thankful for. That's the one thing. I mean, everybody's got a camera, everybody's, you know, they're they're, you know, walking around with their talking to their cameras, no problem. But back in the day, we didn't have all that. And so it was really um, you know, a relief to me now that that's not out there. But um I think that the biggest change that I've seen in this business is that technology and being able to like just this past weekend, I did a couple of live hits on my phone and I was able to be broadcast out to our viewers across our viewer, you know, across our hometowns. That is remarkable to me. So, I mean, the technology that we have available is really incredible. The way that we tell news really hasn't changed. Uh, we still give the news in those half-hour you chunks of time, you know, the five, five thirty, the six o'clock. But the difference now is we're streaming. So if people missed it, they can, you know, they can call it up on their Roku or Apple TV or uh YouTube, whatever they want to. So um a lot has changed, but a lot has stayed the same. Uh we still give news reports that are about minute 15, minute 30, uh uh, you know, in in length. Uh, they're very short bursts. And um I think that you know, the reporters now are, you know, tasked with doing a lot more. And, you know, there's no more, you know, you go out with a photographer, you're kind of doing it all yourself.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

A lot of one-man bands out there, you know, they're they're shooting their own video, they're editing their own video, uh, they're they're being asked to do a lot more. Um also the the equipment is is pretty funny. Back when I started, we had uh what's called three-quarter tapes, and they were huge tapes, and they were put into a machine that you would carry around, right? Which was separate from your actual camera. So the reporters would go around with all of this equipment, and yeah, all the cameras are now smaller and smaller, and yeah, a lot of our reporters go out with their their phones. I've shot many, many stories just on my phone and can edit it and be done with it in about two hours.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Yes. So a lot has changed, but then you know, there's some things that have stayed the same for sure.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Well, you of course now are at WDBJ, the um Roanoke affiliate for CBS. And I know that uh WDBJ and similar affiliates tend to devote much of their energy and resources to covering local news. Um, can you give your thoughts on why this particular kind of journalism is so important to our communities?

SPEAKER_00 12:22

I think it's I think it's so important. I always said that real change happens at the local level. And as a community, you have to know the people involved in your community. Who are the the movers and shakers? Who are the elected leaders? Uh, what are they, what do they want for your community? What is your what does the city council look like? What are what's their agenda? What are they hoping to do with your community? And you've got to get involved and you've got to to show up to these city council meetings and be in the know. And I just feel like we are doing a service for our our residents by showing up and telling these stories. They need to know that the city of Roanoke right now is considering a casino at the Berkland Center. And how do you feel about that? And what does that look like? And what does that mean for your neighborhoods? So there's a lot of issues that come up that we cover to let people know what's happening. And they have a say. I think that's really important that people get involved. You know, fewer and fewer people are showing up, but boy oh boy, do they like to tell their opinions when they're you know on Facebook or on social media. Yeah. But we really need to get people to be to get involved in in what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Yeah, and I would argue that television stations like WDBJ are kind of holding the line on local journalism because a lot of the community newspapers that you know we grew up reading and uh expecting to deliver to the news, hey, I mean, they're kind of extinct at this point. It's a lot of people. Isn't that sad?

SPEAKER_00 14:05

It really is sad. We do need to keep the powerful accountable, and you've got to do that at a local level. And the news can do that. Reporting good journalism can do that. And if we lose that, we're all in trouble. Because in today's world, it is really hard to decipher truth from fiction. And that line is getting more and more blurred and it's scary. So we have to have good journalism and we have to support it.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Yeah. So well said. Definitely. And it I mean, I can hear some challenges in that in that uh response you just had, but are there any other challenges that you want to speak to that come with this line of work?

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Oh, yes. I I think yes, what I just said is our biggest issue is people are in their echo chambers, they're listening to what they want to hear rather than being open to hearing another viewpoint. And if we can't be open to hearing somebody else's opinion, then we're all in trouble. We've got to be open, we've got to hear and know what is fact and what is not fact. And again, when we're only in our silos and only listening to the people who have the same opinion as we do, then we're we're all in trouble. We're not here, we're not getting the big picture, we're not hearing the full story. And it is frustrating when um and is is some news biased? Absolutely. Absolutely. I see a lot of biased reporting at the at the network. I would say that locally, I think we do a really good job. We try to, but at the national level, it it does definitely get biased on both sides. So you really do have to be careful what you're reading, what you're seeing. Uh, now with AI, it's really going to get uh very, very difficult. AI is at its worst right now, and it's pretty darn good.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

And it's just going to get better and better and harder for us to decipher what's real and what's not, and what's truth and what's not. So we really do have to be critical with what we're hearing and seeing, but we have to be open also to hearing other people's opinions.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Yeah. And I think it's so easy for even my myself. I feel like I just had the reaction of, well, yeah, everybody needs to be open except for me, you know, because I'm I'm the one that knows that knows the right. Because I'm right. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

We all think we're right.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Yeah, we all have to just take that to heart, I think, individually, not just everybody else needs to do this, but we our individual selves need to be open. So yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

And I think that the more we talk to one another, we realize we all want the same thing.

unknown 17:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

And that's what's so ironic about the whole thing. And when we really get deep down into these issues and we talk to one another, we really all want the same thing. We want safe communities. We want our kids to have a good education. You know, we want good health care, affordable health care. You know, there's all these things that we all can agree on. Uh, yes, maybe the the process of getting there might be look a little different, but really, when it comes down to it, we're all the same.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Yeah, exactly. That's a really great way to put it. Well, with all those challenges aside, what do you like most about your job?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Oh, I love my job because every day's different. Um, I love my the show that we work on that, Mike, that you've been on for you know numerous, numerous years now uh here at home. I love the longer format style show. I love sitting down with the people who are making a difference in our community, yourself included, uh, the organizations that are creating an opportunity for people to live better lives, offering resources, offering education, awareness. And uh, I think that's such a service. I really do feel like it's a privilege to be able to do this work. Um is every day bliss? No, there's a lot of terrible stories that we report on, and it's it can get to be a lot. There's a lot of doom and gloom. However, what I love is uh having that platform to showcase some some real answers to a lot of problems that we face in our communities.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

Yeah, I really want to commend you and the team at DBJ for all that you do with the Here at Home show. I mean, you're you're such a great um proponent of community resources and um connecting people with help. And it's just a a great vehicle for organizations and service entities to get connected to their uh consumer base. So you do a wonderful job with that. So thanks for all that you do.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Thank you. Yeah, I I feel like if I can help one person each day, you know, in that one hour of time, if I can help one person, then I've done my job.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

And I did, by the way, see yesterday's segment about the new app that DBJ has. Yes. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Yes, absolutely. Uh like I mentioned, you know, with the change right now, you can pick up your phone and you can get our our newscasts at any time, which is really cool. So I encourage people to get online uh to to seek us out. We're on your Roku, we're on your YouTube, all the all the platforms, all the things out there.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Very cool. So Natalie, you shared earlier that you took a break for a little while to start a family. Is that correct? So you're a mother?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

So what's the what's the key to being a successful parent in 2026?

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Oh, if you have the answer to that, I would love to know.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

I'm trying to. I have two boys.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

So you have two boys? Yeah. Now, how old are they?

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Uh, they're 14 and 11.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Okay, so you're in it with me. Yeah, I have two girls. So they're 17 and 14.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

And boy, oh boy, yes, it is a challenge, especially in today's world. And um, I don't know if you feel this way, but I made the mistake of handing my kids a smartphone when they were young, thinking that, oh, this is just a communication device. And now the research that's out, and I thought, oh my goodness, what did I do? I I destroyed my children. No. Fortunately, they have a mother that comes home and tells them all the things that I've learned, and they love hearing it.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

I bet.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

And I love listening to podcasts. So I'll tell them I heard on this one podcast that, and then I just rattle off some information, they just roll their eyes.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

I do the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

However, I will say this they are listening. And I know that it's it's getting through to them. So I'm trying little bits and pieces of information, and I know that their frontal lobe is not fully developed yet, but I know that they are hearing me. And I'm trying the best I can to mold them into good humans. And it's challenging because there's outside influences, there's that social media, there's uh it's just there's so much out there now that really is affecting their mental health. Right. And it's scary. And I talk to them all the time about. Checking in with themselves. I try to really strongly push. They have their phones still, but I feel like knowledge is power, right? So I try to tell them, you know, look, you have these phones. I'm not going to take them away from you. However, you don't own them. I do. I'm going to grab them at random times and I'm going to look through your stuff because I'm paying the bills. And I tell them, please stay off social media. This is what we're learning. This is what we're hearing about kids your age with social media. And I'll ask them questions. I'll be like, you know, what are you seeing? You know, having those conversations, you know, what's it like being a teenager today? Is it is it easy? Is it hard? Opening up those conversations. Do they do they tell me everything? No. But sometimes they will. So it's just trying it. It really is hard. I'm I'm learning so much every day. And I think to myself, gosh, am I am I too hard on my kids? Am I pressuring them too much? Uh, am I not doing enough? I it's so hard. It is really, really hard. Nobody tells you how hard it is, but it is it is a tough job. So I think what I'm trying to do is just educate them as much as possible, um, arming them with information so they can make the best choices and just know that just tell them every day, like, hey, you are loved, you matter, you're important, and you're gonna do great things. And I have faith in you. And I I try to do that as best as I can.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Well, I feel you may have actually hit the perfect answer. Oh, no, but but I do think that communication, I mean, that is such a huge thing to to have that line of communication open with your kids.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, they and they'll roll their eyes and they'll laugh at me and you know, we'll laugh about it. Right. But I I do believe that, you know, we just have to do little bits, you know, if you go into this whole spiel and you try to lecture them, they're they're gonna tune out. You know, so it's like little bits of information, you know, here and there that I try to to to get in.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

And hope it sticks.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Well, listen, you two, eventually, speaking as a father of two adults, they will get there, I promise you.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Oh, good. Thank you, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Thank you for that. That's that's confidence.

SPEAKER_03 24:20

Yeah, I'm very fortunate. They're they're wonderful human beings. That's great. Despite their father. So, Natalie, what is one thing that our listeners might be surprised to learn about you?

SPEAKER_00 24:36

That's a hard one. Um, I'm pretty much an open book. I think the one thing that people would be surprised to hear is that I'm an introvert and I do an extroverted job. And that's really surprising to people. But I love being at home. I'm kind of a homebody. And no, I'm not kind of. I am a homebody. I love being home. I love when my family's home, and I love when my people that I love the most in the world are around me and we don't have to go anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Um we should start a club because I'm very much in the same line of thought. Same here. Complete introvert.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Yes, yes. And it's funny because people think that that's surprising, especially because I'm, you know, live my life on TV. But no, when the cameras are off and I go home for the day, I'm I'm at home. That's where I want to be.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

Yeah. I've uh I've done this work for a long time now, and I always tell people that PR doesn't necessarily mean public relations. In my case, it's pretty reclusive.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I like that. I'm gonna steal that.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Okay, feel free.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Um, so Natalie, you mentioned a a few things that you talk to your kids about as far as checking in with themselves, maintaining their wellness in that way. How do you maintain your own personal wellness?

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Well, exercise every day is it's a definite. It's not even a choice anymore. It's one of those things that I have to do every morning. I have my gym buddy, and she and I work out every morning together. Uh, you know, this week has been a challenge just because of the weather, but yeah, uh, I have to do some kind of workout in the morning. I have my physical health, it really does affect my mental health. So it is first and foremost in the morning at the gym. I try to um, I love podcasts. I, you know, I love viewers, by the way, but I love listening to um some aging well podcasts because I've gotten to that point in my life where I'm like, all right, I want to live a long life, but I want to live well. And I want to just live till I'm 90 and just exist for those last 15 years. I want to live those last 15 years well. And I'm learning a lot about how to do that with uh not only my physical health, but also my mental health and you know the things that I do every single day. You know, I'm trying to do the sauna and I'm doing my red light and I'm trying to eat well and do all the things. It's hard to get it all in, but um, I definitely make that time for me so I can do my best when I'm at work or if I'm with my kids. Because if I'm not taking care of me, I can't pour from an empty cup. So it's definitely a priority every single day.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Have you hopped on the protein train?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Oh yes, Mike. Oh my goodness. I am I can't consume enough protein.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

That seems to be the consensus out there.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, it is unbelievable. My husband is is is on the on the bandwagon as well. And so we're always prepping in the kitchen. We will prep on Sunday for the week, so it's easy, so we can eat well. Yeah, but I've eaten so much chicken.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

There's only so many ways you can cook chicken. I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

I eat something other than a chicken breast, please.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

Oh well, um, we're winding down uh our conversation, but um can't let you get away without getting you to talk about what the word hope means to you.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Yeah, yeah. I love the word hope, and I love that you're doing this um this podcast. Um, I think hope to me means a faith in something good is going to happen, that there is good in the world. I I think that you know, there's gonna be good days and there's gonna be bad days. There's gonna be, if we live long enough, we're gonna have some hard times, but the good times are coming. It's cyclical, right? In my life, I've dealt with the death of both my parents, which would have been very, very difficult. But through those trying times, you know, you come back on on the back end of it, and then you you get out of that grief and you can be happy again. And I think that hope is a great word for yes, the good times will come back. It's a faith that that there is good and there's happiness. It might not be here right now in this very moment, but it's coming. And this is unfortunately temporary, right? The good times and the bad times are temporary. It's just an ebb and flow. Um, but things are always changing. And then I think I do believe in in good in humanity and good in people, and that it it will always come back to us. And that's what hope means, I think, to me.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

That's great. Thank you. So, any final words of wisdom you'd like to share with our listeners, Natalie?

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Kind of final words of wisdom. I think that you know, the more I'm learning about our community and with the work that you guys are all doing, um, there's a lot of people who are sad right now and are are struggling uh mentally uh with their mental health. It's a huge issue. And I think that we need to continue this conversation. It needs to be discussed, especially with our young men. Um, Ross, I'm sure that you're hearing about our young men in today's world. Oh, yeah. They're struggling. They really are. And I think that we just need to keep on talking about our mental health, focused on it, um, and and offering up those resources as you have and and you will continue to do. And we certainly appreciate all the work that you're doing for for our young people and for our our people who are struggling. So I thank you both for the work that you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

Well, thank you. Well, it takes a village, as they say.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

It does take a village, yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Yeah. So thank you for being such a great partner to us over the years. And uh really enjoyed the conversation today. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yeah, me too. Thank you for the time, guys. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

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